This is an old show by now, first broadcast in 2010, one of two-part daytime TV special, made for UK audiences, in which Jeremy Kyle discusses various cults, interviewing members, and families involved. This is reblogged from Dialogue Ireland’s website. Jeremy Kyle ( a bit of a drama queen himself – the British equivalent of Jerry Springer, bottom of the barrel viewing, featuring all sorts of fruit and nut cases ) interviews people involved in different cult organisations, including Dave McKayof the Jesus Christians, asking the question, are they cults, or just religious communities? Brian Birmingham, who, strangely enough, I am suspected of being by at least one YouTuber, confronts Dave McKay and temperatures inevitable rise all round. Jeremy, as usual, is focussed (mostly on his ratings, one assumes). To be honest, I prefer Jerry Springer myself.
Note: Part 11 of 12 parts seems to be absent from the Dialogue Ireland page, so you can find it here, below the other link.
The Denis I’m gonna talk about isn’t the one shown above. She isn’t even a Denis, as she’s a girl, an old gal called Denise in fact. The comparison is weak, one would think, but this ol’ gal used to have a lot of nick-names, and tended to create chaos everywhere she went, a bit like little Denis. She was a bit of a menace, and like Denis, left a trail of destruction everywhere she went. I’m here to tell you folks, she’s back.
Denis always meant well, but he just couldn’t help getting into trouble. Things just seemed to fall apart whenever he was around. Denise doesn’t seem to want to stay out of trouble. There are some who say it is part of hermodus operandi. Who is this lady?
She’s a YouTuber with a small subscription base that’s causing a big stir at the moment. She’s made many enemies, it seems, in the short time her channel’s been up. Her videos cover a range of topics, such as religion; when the spirit moves her she tell her viewers stories about the Our Lady of Guadalupe hanging that appears in the background of many of her videos. Sometimes she shows us her craftwork, such as the plant hangers and quilts she makes and sells through her channel, talks to her dog, Sally, or one of her cats, or brews up a pot of coffee. She often treats viewers to her views on items in the news, mixing politics and religion, exhorting viewers to put their spiritual armour on, to fight the battle that is American politics. This is mixed in with a titillating soupçon of gossip about her personal life and history. Oh, and a lot of bad language, finger-stabbing, and accusations of pedophilia. You can read more about her personal life on herFreedom Is Sacred site, a blog she created in 2010, described in her banner title as a ‘blog defending free speech, freedom of religion, and the right to live free of vigilante harassment and intimidation.’ I found it a bit of a slog going through her posts; she is a prolific writer, but if you prefer TV, the videos on the blog, or those on her YouTube channel cover much of the same territory. I haven’t spoken about some aspects of her personal story here because I don’t feel it’s appropriate; those are covered on her blog and in her videos.
On watching her videos and hearing about the events in her life, one can feel nothing but sympathy for this poor woman for the stalking she has endured, not to mention the tragedy in her personal life which she goes into on the videos and her blog . But the story doesn’t end there. Others have added to it. Everyone has a different point of view, and boy is everyone else’s view of Denise different from her own. Reminds me of the old song‘If you knew Susy, like I know Susy’(apologies to Denise if I’m wrong here, but I believe her middle name is Susan). My elderly Godmother used to sing that song a lot. What a nice lady she was. Hardly any cursing, and although quite religious, not in any cults that I know of. Unless you count theCatholic Church as a cult, which many do. Maybe even Denise, although it’s hard to keep track of how many things she thinks are a cult; the list is infinite.
Cults are one of Denise’s specialities; she goes after the topic like a dog with a bone. Which is not surprising, ‘cos she knows a lot about them. She used to be in one called the ‘Jesus Christians’. She doesn’t talk much about them, which is funny, because she has something to say about lots of other ones. Never mind, let other people tell the story for her. It’s quite interesting. My own bit of Miss Marple style investigating ( à la Ms. Matteau, only with sources included for you to check, dear reader), led me to another Blogger site called ‘Dave From Queens 2’. Click the link below to read the post.
Who are these people, and how do they know Denise? Are they the stalkers she mentions so often in her Freedom is Sacred posts? They seem to be from one of the ‘hate sites’ she mentions inthis post, announcing the return of the Jesus Christians, who it seems had disbanded. The Jesus Christians, and Denise, seemed to be receiving a lot of hateful posts in the comments section. If you can’t stand bad language for God’s sake don’t read the comments section of the post at all. Click your cursor in the cat picture below (not the link below the pic., sorry for being Captain Obvious here, but there may be some silver surfers in here) then scroll to the bottom of her post, if you think you can handle the shock.
Well, it’s confusing that there are so many people angry with her. Seems to be something to do with her involvement in the Jesus Christians. Let’s continue by going through the newspapers; see if there’s any mention of what they’ve been up to there. The cult get a mention in an English newspaper, The Eastleigh News (Clickhere if you are wondering where on earth that is). The headline declares: ‘Donate a kidney for Jesus’, and goes on to tell you about the Jesus Christians activities. And Denis has been quite active in the comments section. People there seem to know her too. I’m confused, though, by this comment.
I thought she was a Jesus Christian? I didn’t know she had a son, or was with the Children of God. She never told us about that. I know Dave McKay used to be in the Children of God, a very famous cult from the 70s, before he founded the Jesus Christians, but Denise never said anything in all her videos about her relationship with him, either of these cults, or their son, Joe. What’s all this about? I’m in shock, because the Denise I knew seems to have hidden depths, let’s say. Maybe I’m just a confused person, ‘cos a lot of Denise Matteau’s stories don’t really make too much sense to me. Maybe I’m no good at this Miss Marple thing, though I’m sure Denise would encourage it, since she’s so into researching stuff herself. Anyhow, in case you don’t know who the Children of God are, here’s another shocker for you. This is the HBO documentary by Noah Thompson, an ex-member.
Phew, this plot is gettin’ thicker, isn’t it? Maybe we need to take a break, lighten up, laugh a little, after all that grim viewing. One of Denise’s stories maybe? Again, from the Eastleigh News, in a comment under the same article.
Hadn’t Denise read her copy of ‘Bin Raiders’thoroughly enough to stay out of this kind of trouble while foraging? Poor Denise, in such reduced circumstances that she needed to dumpster-dive. She made a plea for help:
Not everyone in the comments section was sympathetic.
Animosity and Denise seem to be constant bedfellows. Rick Ross was the cult deprogrammer guy I had already come across in my research on Denise. In fact she produced some material about him in which she seemed pretty angry with him, or at least what she calls his ‘vigilantes’. She does angry a lot, in my opinion. But Dave stuck up for her. She provides a ‘kink’ [sic], a link to his post. You can see her video and the post here, on her blog.
What a pity Dave doesn’t seem like such a great guy otherwise. After reading some of the literature he wrote and is still distributing, such as his ‘Baby Book 5’, which the ‘Nappy Chappies’got arrested for distributing while dressed in nappies at the Easter Show in Sydney in 1995, and what with the organ donation thing and the dumpster diving, as well as other ideas like the not working thing, and giving all one’s money and possessions away on joining the cult, I started to feel quite queasy at the company our Denise used to keep. Here’s an excerpt from Baby Book 5, stating the purpose of the next page of the book, which he says ‘was written as a class for young children. It combines science lessons, Christian principles, and sex education in an open, positive, non-exploitative manner.’
Here’s the quote. I can’t even make a joke about this, it’s so off. The relevant page’s title is
It starts cheerfully…‘Where would we be without holes? You’ve got seven holes in your head. Count ’em! ‘ It continues with stuff about what mummy and daddy do with bits and pieces (science lesson bit), goes on a bit, then you start to notice stuff like this, ‘And you know what love is? It’s a hole that needs to be filled plus something to fill it with. All holes are made for something, and God’s got something for you somewhere! ‘ Context is everything, so read the thingand decide for yourself what you think of it. I don’t know what age this is aimed at. The language is certainly childish. Should it cross my mind that it is deeply unsettling, given his background in the Children of God? I think so, yes. Maybe my mind has become damaged from all the yucky stuff I had to look at while researching Denise. I don’t know how she stays sane. Oh, wait.
Denise’s enemies were everywhere. They were posting in their own threads on the same forum she posted to under the name ‘little rose’ ( sometimes she is referred to as ‘dsm’, not to be confused with ‘DM’, Dave McKay). a lot of the posters here are the same people she refers to on her site as her stalkers, or Rick Ross’s stalkers, as far as I can figure out. These posts make a very illuminating, and, I think it is fair to say, entertaining read. I’d be the first to say don’t believe everything you read, and don’t jump to conclusions quickly, but in the interests of fairness I think it’s worth ‘learning to discern’, as Denise puts it.
The post thread can be accessed here. Click at the bottom of the page if you want to read the whole thread. It’s a long one, but it’s a doozy, so do like Denise, and brew up a cowboy coffee for yourself before you sit down to read it.
When the Jesus Christians dispersed in various directions from the forum where they were posting, Dave McKay re-invented himself a bit, and Denise is always inventive, isn’t she, so she kept on doing her thing. She stayed in touch, mind you, and when Dave started his new adventure with God, Denise was keen to stay on board for the ride. Whether he was as keen to have her on board as she was to join forces with him, I don’t know, but Dave is now BrotherDave, and has a YouTube channel and a website. Not sure how many followers he has, because they don’t put it about. They explain it all on their videos. I haven’t provided links to their material here, but if you think they sound like a lovely bunch of people, you can go buy yourself a mask and join them online. Denise did just that, in 2016, or at least tried to, if her Facebook postings are anything to go by.
It’s all been so grim, with the cult stuff, the vigilantes, the hate. We need to end on an uplifting note, I think. Maybe a song from Denise would cheer us all up. How about this, from her FreedomIsSacred YouTube Channel. Pity I never found the Sir Chirpsalot video, featuring her budgie on her head, or got to tell you aboutQTube. Maybe readers outside the US didn’t get much idea what the ‘Christian right’are about, let alone get‘red-pilled’ here, but you got to hear a pretty interesting story, I hope, if a little hard to follow sometimes. Thanks to all the YouTubers that sent me down thisweird little rabbit hole. Hope I don’t get stuck down here.
Postscript: Addicted to the Denise drama already? Wanna follow her latest YouTube adventures? Read the next post on what she’s been up to lately over here. Or my newest post, in which I am drafted, not entirely willingly, into the cast of characters as well, in a supporting role.